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The Public Eye Chat With George Osterkamp

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It’s Thursday, and that means it’s time for the Public Eye Chat. This week’s subject is San Francisco-based Producer George Osterkamp. You can read excerpts, and listen to the full interview, below.
Brian Montopoli: You produced one of the more popular YouTube videos in recent memory – John Blackstone’s 

demonstration

 of the iPhone. And you do a lot of Silicon Valley stuff. What do you think of the media coverage of the iPhone so far? If I was Apple I’d be fairly happy with the coverage thus far, although I guess you could argue that the product deserves the hype.George Osterkamp: I agree – if I were Apple, I would be thrilled at the coverage so far. I think it’s been masterfully handled by Apple. You know, there’s been a limited amount that we can cover. The phones have not been available to use, or to experiment with, so a large part of the coverage has been about what Apple says the phone will do. And those things sounds great. The coverage may not be so good in the future if the phones don’t work, or if people hate the keypad, the virtual keypad instead of the real keypad…

Whether it’s been by design, or whether it’s been just a production kink, we have not been able to handle the phones, to use the phones.

Brian Montopoli: Has that been frustrating?

George Osterkamp: Extremely. Extremely.

Brian Montopoli: How has it affected the coverage?

George Osterkamp: Well, I think the coverage isn’t as critical as it will be when we’re actually able to use it. Although I would say Apple has been very pleased with the coverage so far, the phones will have to merit that coverage to continue to get praise. Apple’s on a big limb. They’ve created a lot of interest. That’ll either be sustained by the success of the phone, or the interest will take a much different direction if the phones don’t work.

Brian Montopoli: You’ve done a lot of work overseas, including in China. Can you talk to me about the different levels of freedom you’ve had in different countries, and specifically in China?

China is getting more and more free…you know, the censorship – it probably wouldn’t even be fair to call it censorship. But in China they are definitely interested in what you report, and if you want access, which is something journalists always need, you normally have to get permission from the authorities to travel around China and to interview people in China.

It’s not the tightest place I’ve been. I have to say – I was in Vietnam, on the 25th anniversary of the war, and it’s the only time I’ve been arrested working for CBS News. And I was arrested for interviewing a poet. It was a dissident poet in Hanoi. And she was not a person the government thought should be interviewed.

Brian Montopoli: And so what happened when you were arrested?

George Osterkamp: Well, we were talking to her in a café, and a carful of plain-clothed police came up, and they took my crew and myself into custody. We were questioned for a few hours and then we were released.

Brian Montopoli: Were you frightened? When they were questioning you, what were they asking?

George Osterkamp: They were saying, “Why did you interview this person?” They were saying, “What did you intend to do by interviewing this person?” And yes, it was frightening. You know, they didn’t threaten, they didn’t put us in rooms with bars, but we were clearly in their control. Far from home, not able to call the embassy or anybody else for help, quite totally at their mercy. It was unnerving.

I have to say my crew, which was based in Beijing and had been arrested many times, was much more calm about it than I was. And in the end what the authorities wanted was an admission from us – and that’s how they put it – “Do you admit that you interviewed this poet, who you had no advance permission to interview, against the laws of Vietnam?”

Brian Montopoli: And you admitted as much?

George Osterkamp: I admitted as much.

Brian Montopoli: You told me earlier today about your favorite story, when we talked briefly. And that involved South Africa’s election. And I was hoping you could tell me a little bit about why that was your favorite story.

George Osterkamp: Well I loved being in South Africa at the time of their first election because it was such a – as opposed to so many stories we do, which are about tragedy or misery, this was a terrifically happy story. A story of South Africa’s emergence from apartheid rule to democracy. I was there for the election, and I remember on election day, interviewing people who were standing in long lines waiting to vote. And some of these people were grandparents – people in their ’60s and ’70s who had never cast a vote in their lives. And they were going to cast their first vote. And the excitement, and the thrill of being able to vote for Nelson Mandela, to be able to vote for one of their countrymen – it was just wonderful to behold. It was hard to do that story without welling up in tears occasionally, thinking what democracy meant.

 

48 HOURS to Explore The Chowchilla Kidnapping This Weekend

“Remembering the Chowchilla Kidnapping,” to be broadcast Saturday, March 18 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network and streaming on Paramount+.

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Last summer, after 46 years, the last of three men convicted of kidnapping 26 children and their bus driver was paroled from a prison in California. Now, for the first time, 48 HOURS can reveal a powerful, emotional interview with one of the survivors of that harrowing event in “Remembering the Chowchilla Kidnapping,” to be broadcast Saturday, March 18 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network and streaming on Paramount+.

The case captured the nation in 1976 when three masked gunmen abducted the children and their driver from a bus as they headed home from school and buried them alive in an old moving truck beneath a rock quarry.

They spent nearly 16 hours IN THE DARK before daringly escaping. Jodi Heffington was one of those children and spent her life fighting to keep her kidnappers behind bars. In an interview recorded before her death in 2021, Heffington relives the ordeal publicly for the first time and shares emotional details of life after.

“How that day affected me has affected me every day in some way or another,” Heffington told 48 HOURS. “I think it made me not a good daughter, not a good sister, not a good aunt, and especially not a good mother … I try to be those things. But it seems like, it just took something from me that I can’t ever get back. And I can’t tear it down … no matter how hard I try and no matter what I do.”

Narrated by David Begnaud, 48 HOURS: “Remembering the Chowchilla Kidnapping” is the story of a group of children and their bus driver facing the unthinkable and surviving. It is believed to be the largest kidnapping in American history.

Soon after the children and their driver escaped, police zeroed in on Fred Woods, then 24, the son of the owner of the quarry, and two of his friends, James and Richard Schoenfeld. The three men were arrested, convicted and sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole. All were eventually paroled.

Heffington testified at almost all of the kidnappers’ parole hearings.

“They just let us off the bus with all these people,” Heffington told 48 HOURS. “And you didn’t know where your parents were … Nothing was ever the same. Nothing was ever the same after that.”

48 HOURS: “Remembering the Chowchilla Kidnapping” is produced by Chris Young Ritzen and George Osterkamp. Gary Winter and Mead Stone are producer-editors. Jordan Kinsey and Hannah Vair are the associate producers. Joan Adelman is the editor. Nancy Kramer is the executive story editor. Judy Tygard is the executive producer.

48 HOURS, now in its 35th year, is one of the most successful true-crime docuseries in television history and has been the #1 non-sports broadcast on Saturday nights for 16 consecutive years. 48 HOURS is broadcast Saturdays at 10:00 PM, ET/PT on CBS, and streams anytime on Paramount+.

You can also watch 48 HOURS on the CBS News Streaming Network Wednesdays at 8:00 PM, ET. Download the CBS News app on your phone or connected TV. Follow 48 HOURS on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Listen to podcasts at CBS Audio.

Presentation to George’s Alma Mater: George School, a Quaker School in Philadelphia

For a boy who got a pretty good Quaker upbringing, I have spent an awful lot of time in war zones.

I never carried a gun, but in my job as a news producer I’ve covered stories in some picturesque spots that tourists usually avoid:  Beirut, Mogadishu, Bosnia, Iran and Iraq.  Other places with less violence have included all 50 states, China, Russia, Indonesia, parts of Central and South America.  Somehow I’ve never been smart enough to get assigned to Paris in springtime or Italy in the fall (though I did get to Kyoto for cherry blossom season).

George School was important in my development, but it was not an easy time.  The scholastic expectations were breathtaking compared to what I’d been used to in public school.  Social expectations were also higher.  I made it through required social occasions at Orton but awkwardly.

 I remember being told at George School that graduates would often cite these as their happiest years.  As I was struggling with everything from German to physical education to social standing, I knew, even then, this could not possibly be true.

 But I did take away good things from George School.

 I was lucky enough to discover journalism on the GS newspaper.  And I was imbued at GS with an attitude that we could improve this world.  When I think about what’s next for me, I hope to combine these two things.

At George School, Ernestine Robinson introduced me to news reporting and her love for journalism.  She also introduced me to a man at Columbia who gave me a scholarship to attend-a man who I subsequently discovered also had a mean streak and a hot temper sometimes unleashed on the boys who had scholarships and worked in his office.

 I didn’t make it through freshman year.  I lost focus, lost the scholarship and flunked out of Columbia College.  Later I took classes in Philadelphia at Temple and the University of Pennsylvania (great classes with phenomenal teachers) before returning to New York to earn a degree in Government at Columbia’s adult school for General Studies in 1968.

 Most of the time back at Columbia I worked full time for The New York Times.  I liked the double load.  Sometimes school was more rewarding.  Other times it was the job.  I was one of the first copy boys The Times hired without a college degree.  Soon after, the paper hired its first copy girl.  We joked about how the paper lowered its standards to hire us.  It was a great entry level job at a great company, and I was promoted to copy editor and then writer.

But in the crazy, turbulent year of 1968 I wasn’t ready to take my degree and settle in at The Times.  I’d studied film at Columbia and wanted to go west.  I was sort of headed to Hollywood but in those days before GPS devices, I missed the mark and ended up in San Francisco.  That was fine, but I could find no job at all doing anything.

 I got a break when somebody crashed into my Volkswagen bug:  I could still drive the car and was able to live for months on the insurance settlement. Finally I decided to work for nothing to get my foot in the door at KQED, the public TV station in San Francisco.  After six months of volunteering, a production assistant job opened up.

 I worked for a series of local stations, both commercial and public, at jobs never lasting more than three years.  Then in 1982 I got a job at CBS News, associate producer in Special Events in NY.   I’m still at CBS, now as producer in the San Francisco bureau, and if I don’t screw up in the next 15 months–I may get to 30 years in this job.

I had a great run of producing interesting stories during Dan Rather’s last five years anchoring at CBS.  Dan is a wonderful reporter, a guy who loves the news.  I was intimidated at first, but grew fond of him as we worked together in difficult places, from Haiti to Moscow to Sri Lanka and South Africa.  He adds to every story he works on.

 Sadly, I’ve been less successful connecting with Katie Couric, so have had limited foreign assignments since she’s been in the anchor chair.  But I’m still pitching.

I’m sad that I never had kids.  I had a long marriage, over 25 years, to a nice woman but we ran out of gas and I’m now divorced.  My best connection to the next generation is my goddaughter, Micaela, raised in New Zealand, but now a freshman at St. John’s College in Santa Fe, NM.  So I am getting to see her more, which is great.

 I live just north of San Francisco-across the Golden Gate Bridge-in Sausalito, in a little house that has a view through some trees of San Francisco Bay and the city beyond. 

My job has given me brief, intense views into people’s lives, often when they are in stressful situations.  I’m almost always impressed by their resilience. and kindness.

 The most disappointing story I ever worked on was covering United Nations inspectors looking for weapons in Iraq.  In the months before the U.S. invasion, I was one of the producers chasing UN teams, filming the rudimentary labs they inspected. As we went from site to site, it seemed clear to me-and I thought clear in our reporting-that these poorly equipped labs were unlikely to produce weapons of mass destruction.

 So I was stunned to see “shock and awe”-the American invasion of Iraq-and could only conclude that for all the supposed power of the press, our stories and those of many others failed to slow America’s march to war.  I’ve now done four tours of duty in Iraq for CBS News, each one more dangerous and uncomfortable than the last.

The best story I’ve worked on was the first free Election Day in South Africa.

 What a day that was:  people lining up before dawn, patient, black and white together, waiting to cast their vote for Nelson Mandela… an amazing, improbable step forward in a country shaped by violence and apartheid.  Seeing Bishop Desmond Tutu dance a jig as the old man cast the very first vote of his life.  Inspiring.

 Savoring the history of the moment, I paused –and the lead story I was working on with Dan Rather almost did not get finished in time to make the air.  A reminder that News is a line of work where both “pausing” and “savoring” are done at your own risk.

I’d like to combine travel to out of the way places and reporting on things that matter.  Maybe I can connect with the American Friends Service Committee if they have interest in hiring someone to report on their far flung efforts, perhaps for a wider audience than they presently reach.

 I’m also interested in Narrow-casting (as opposed to broadcasting).  Once when my mother was recovering at a medical center I brought her some video I’d shot that morning–of her own garden at home.  I played it back through the TV over the hospital bed-and she was more delighted and involved with that video than anyone has ever been with any Emmy Award winning show I’ve done.

 When you make something interesting for millions of people, you may lose the ability to make something riveting for a few.  So if I can figure out the economics, I might like to try making television for the few– rather than television for the many.

Start A New Path

 

The Public Eye Chat With George Osterkamp

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-public-eye-chat-with8230george-osterkamp/

It’s Thursday, and that means it’s time for the Public Eye Chat. This week’s subject is San Francisco-based Producer George Osterkamp. You can read excerpts, and listen to the full interview, below.
Brian Montopoli: You produced one of the more popular YouTube videos in recent memory – John Blackstone’s 

demonstration

 of the iPhone. And you do a lot of Silicon Valley stuff. What do you think of the media coverage of the iPhone so far? If I was Apple I’d be fairly happy with the coverage thus far, although I guess you could argue that the product deserves the hype.George Osterkamp: I agree – if I were Apple, I would be thrilled at the coverage so far. I think it’s been masterfully handled by Apple. You know, there’s been a limited amount that we can cover. The phones have not been available to use, or to experiment with, so a large part of the coverage has been about what Apple says the phone will do. And those things sounds great. The coverage may not be so good in the future if the phones don’t work, or if people hate the keypad, the virtual keypad instead of the real keypad…

Whether it’s been by design, or whether it’s been just a production kink, we have not been able to handle the phones, to use the phones.

Brian Montopoli: Has that been frustrating?

George Osterkamp: Extremely. Extremely.

Brian Montopoli: How has it affected the coverage?

George Osterkamp: Well, I think the coverage isn’t as critical as it will be when we’re actually able to use it. Although I would say Apple has been very pleased with the coverage so far, the phones will have to merit that coverage to continue to get praise. Apple’s on a big limb. They’ve created a lot of interest. That’ll either be sustained by the success of the phone, or the interest will take a much different direction if the phones don’t work.

Brian Montopoli: You’ve done a lot of work overseas, including in China. Can you talk to me about the different levels of freedom you’ve had in different countries, and specifically in China?

China is getting more and more free…you know, the censorship – it probably wouldn’t even be fair to call it censorship. But in China they are definitely interested in what you report, and if you want access, which is something journalists always need, you normally have to get permission from the authorities to travel around China and to interview people in China.

It’s not the tightest place I’ve been. I have to say – I was in Vietnam, on the 25th anniversary of the war, and it’s the only time I’ve been arrested working for CBS News. And I was arrested for interviewing a poet. It was a dissident poet in Hanoi. And she was not a person the government thought should be interviewed.

Brian Montopoli: And so what happened when you were arrested?

George Osterkamp: Well, we were talking to her in a café, and a carful of plain-clothed police came up, and they took my crew and myself into custody. We were questioned for a few hours and then we were released.

Brian Montopoli: Were you frightened? When they were questioning you, what were they asking?

George Osterkamp: They were saying, “Why did you interview this person?” They were saying, “What did you intend to do by interviewing this person?” And yes, it was frightening. You know, they didn’t threaten, they didn’t put us in rooms with bars, but we were clearly in their control. Far from home, not able to call the embassy or anybody else for help, quite totally at their mercy. It was unnerving.

I have to say my crew, which was based in Beijing and had been arrested many times, was much more calm about it than I was. And in the end what the authorities wanted was an admission from us – and that’s how they put it – “Do you admit that you interviewed this poet, who you had no advance permission to interview, against the laws of Vietnam?”

Brian Montopoli: And you admitted as much?

George Osterkamp: I admitted as much.

Brian Montopoli: You told me earlier today about your favorite story, when we talked briefly. And that involved South Africa’s election. And I was hoping you could tell me a little bit about why that was your favorite story.

George Osterkamp: Well I loved being in South Africa at the time of their first election because it was such a – as opposed to so many stories we do, which are about tragedy or misery, this was a terrifically happy story. A story of South Africa’s emergence from apartheid rule to democracy. I was there for the election, and I remember on election day, interviewing people who were standing in long lines waiting to vote. And some of these people were grandparents – people in their ’60s and ’70s who had never cast a vote in their lives. And they were going to cast their first vote. And the excitement, and the thrill of being able to vote for Nelson Mandela, to be able to vote for one of their countrymen – it was just wonderful to behold. It was hard to do that story without welling up in tears occasionally, thinking what democracy meant.